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Thou Also Shall Be Cut Off

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Thou Also Shall Be Cut Off

Postby Mark Osgatharp on 2009 Aug 13 Thu 6:53 am

Paul wrote to the Romans:

Paul wrote:For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office: if by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them. For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead? For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.

And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree; boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.

Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in. Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: for if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.


With the understanding that the teaching of eternal security or "once saved always saved" is true and correct, in what sense can we be "cut off" because of unbelief?

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Re: Thou Also Shall Be Cut Off

Postby Rick Howard on 2009 Aug 19 Wed 4:13 pm

Bro. Mark,

I'm surprised no one has given an opinion yet to this legitimate question.

I guess as it would apply to churches (in connection to the "angel of the church" thread) it would be the same as "I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place..." or, "So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spew thee out of my mouth."
These churches would become disconnected from the ability to properly glorify God and represent Him and "Ichabod" would be written above their door.

As for the particular application in the verses you cited, the answer would be based on whatever one thinks the "root and fatness of the olive tree" represents because that is what they would be cut off from.
I take the "root and fatness" to be the entirety of the blessings, promises and provisions of the Abrahamic covenant. In Israel's case, they were removed from being God's special representative corporate people to carry out His will to their own citizens as well as represent God to the other nations.
Churches in the "Gentile age" can be cut off from this same high calling.

I hope your question can be further developed by others joining in with opinions.
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Re: Thou Also Shall Be Cut Off

Postby marmac on 2009 Aug 30 Sun 8:28 pm

Bro. Mark,

Excellent question. I think that this is talking to the Gentiles of that time reminding them of what happened to the "original" olive tree, Israel. They had disobeyed God's commandments concerning their Messiah and had rejected him. Then God had grafted in the "wild olive tree" (the Gentiles) and he warns them of getting full of pride like Israel less they be "cut off", and suffer a similar fate. Nothing about individual salvation here, it's talking about the Gentile NT church and how it can be taken away as Israel was.

Pastor Marty McCoy
Schillinger Road Baptist Church
Mobile, Alabama
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